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  1. Fred
    Fred September 9, 2013 at 5:20 pm | |

    So we shall walk barefoot on walnut shells
    of withered worlds, and stamp out puny hells
    and heavens till the spirits squeak
    surrender: to build our bed as high as jack’s
    bold beanstalk; lie and love till sharp scythe hacks
    away our rationed days and weeks.

    Then jet the blue tent topple, stars rain down,
    and god or void appall us till we drown
    in our own tears: today we start
    to pay the piper with each breath, yet love
    knows not of death nor calculus above
    the simple sum of heart plus heart.

    Sylvia Plath

  2. Shodo
    Shodo September 9, 2013 at 6:57 pm | |

    Fred:
    “There is no one to be awakened, Shodo.”

    LoL! :)
    Didn’t we go over this?
    Shunyata doesn’t mean things don’t exist – it means THINGS EXIST without an eternal essence.

    What you keep describing just sounds like samadhi to me. I don’t think you are talking about “awakening”.

  3. Mumbles
    Mumbles September 9, 2013 at 7:25 pm | |

    Oh sorry thought you said salami…

    http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/a-meditation-on-salami

  4. Fred
    Fred September 10, 2013 at 5:29 am | |

    ‘What you keep describing just sounds like samadhi to me. I don’t think you are talking about “awakening”.’

    Is that based on an experience of being aware of Samadhi or awakened, or on
    some words from a book or human locution.

  5. Fred
    Fred September 10, 2013 at 5:32 am | |

    “and then the water of life covered his head for moment, and it all came back to him…”

    Out of the trance or in to the trance, or both?

  6. Fred
    Fred September 10, 2013 at 5:48 am | |

    Another perspective-

    Dan Ingram:

    “I completed around 27 full, complete insight cycles with mind-blowing A&P Events, Ass-kicking Dark Nights, Equanimity phases, and what seemed to be brand new, fresh Fruitions and Review phases between third and fourth path. There is nothing special about that number, as I mentioned previously in my descriptions of the problem that I call Twelfth Path. The later cycles got faster and faster, so that by the end it seemed I was whipping one out every few weeks or even every few days, but they still seemed to be leading nowhere. It was only when I had gotten so sick of the cycles and realized that they were leading nowhere that I was able to see what has nothing to do with the cycles, which also wasn’t anything except a strange untangling of the knot of perception of them. The cycles, for better or worse, have continued just the same. Thus, there is not much point in counting cycles or paths, as they don’t necessarily correlate well with anything past the first two or three, and issues of backsliding can really make things complex, as I explained earlier.

    Finishing up my Revised Four Path Model, arahats have finally untangled the knot of perception, dissolved the sense of the center point actually being the center point, no longer fundamentally make a separate Self out of the patterns of sensations that they used to, even though those same patterns of sensations continue. This is a different understanding from those of Third Path in some subtle way, and makes this path about something that is beyond the paths. This is also poetically called the opening of the Wisdom Eye. What is interesting is that I could write about this stage quite well when I was an anagami, but that is a whole different world from knowing it like arahats know it.”

  7. Mark Foote
    Mark Foote September 10, 2013 at 8:59 am | |

    Love the ode to salami, Mumbles!

    Thaz a gud quekstiun, Fred-

    “We come to the river
    We’ll walk away from all this now
    We come to the water
    We’ll walk away from all this now

    It’s a desert because…
    Because it’s a desert
    and they’ll be asking us about it forever
    I guess”

    (Rickie Lee Jones, Sal Benardi, Nabet-Meyer)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9N_BPreGNg

    “arahats have finally untangled the knot of perception, dissolved the sense of the center point actually being the center point, no longer fundamentally make a separate Self out of the patterns of sensations that they used to, even though those same patterns of sensations continue.”

    That’s true, but a better and more useable description would be to be aware of where one is 24/7, and in light of the necessity of breath to the awareness of where one is, admit of the contribution of consciousness generated by all the senses and particularly the contribution to where one is generated by the muscles and tendons throughout the body and the surface of the skin. Mind like a wall, we come to the water…

  8. Mark Foote
    Mark Foote September 10, 2013 at 9:00 am | |

    towering up like a wall miles-high

  9. Shodo
    Shodo September 10, 2013 at 9:40 am | |

    It’s based on my experience of samadhi… Samadhi is a common thing when you sit regularly. It’s also no big deal.

    So Fred, are you equating samadhi with “awakening”?

  10. buddy
    buddy September 10, 2013 at 9:40 am | |

    Ah yes, the Arahat Daniel Ingram. Personally I would question the degree of No-Self obtained by someone who goes around identifying themselves as a fully awakened being.

  11. Fred
    Fred September 10, 2013 at 10:48 am | |

    Shodo said : “But I’m just typing words and just saying all this imparts nothing… I haven’t realized this for myself. It just makes sense to my mind/heart and seems to be in accord with what my teachers have taught me and with my understanding of these concepts.”

    Then Shodo said: “It’s based on my experience of samadhi… Samadhi is a common thing when you sit regularly. It’s also no big deal.”

  12. Fred
    Fred September 10, 2013 at 10:51 am | |

    Buddy said : “Personally I would question the degree of No-Self obtained by someone who goes around identifying themselves as a fully awakened being”

    Why would you do that, Buddy? What is the connection?

  13. buddy
    buddy September 10, 2013 at 11:22 am | |

    Why would I question his level of realization? Because I expect fully awakened beings to have some degree of humility and good taste.

  14. Fred
    Fred September 10, 2013 at 11:31 am | |

    It’s nice that you expect things, but there there is no reason for what you
    expect other than the bias of your conditioned viewpoint.

  15. buddy
    buddy September 10, 2013 at 11:49 am | |

    You needn’t have responded to my comment, Fred, at this point it’s pretty bloody obvious what sort of pseudo-Zen tautologies you’re going to throw down from your 100 foot pole.

  16. Shodo
    Shodo September 10, 2013 at 12:06 pm | |

    LoL! VERY perceptive Fred! :)

    Yes, I am equating Shunyata with “awakening”, something I have no personal experience of.

    But that’s not samadhi. The problem I think I see now is that you equate samadhi with “awakening”, which is wrong.

  17. Fred
    Fred September 10, 2013 at 12:13 pm | |

    To refrain from lying, harsh speech, idle speech, and slander

  18. Fred
    Fred September 10, 2013 at 12:13 pm | |

    Straw man Shodo

  19. Shodo
    Shodo September 10, 2013 at 12:18 pm | |

    Oh?
    You posted those 2 quotes of mine because you thought I had contradicted myself…
    It’s pretty obvious you think then that samadhi = “awakening”. ;)

  20. Fred
    Fred September 10, 2013 at 12:20 pm | |

    You moral Buddhists follow the precepts, right? Don’t think so.

  21. Fred
    Fred September 10, 2013 at 12:28 pm | |

    Shodo:

    “I swear that I am not trying to project anything, nor am I trying to catch you in some kind of zenny trap or play some word game with you. ”

    Hahaha

  22. Shodo
    Shodo September 10, 2013 at 12:38 pm | |

    Well, we WERE trying to discuss the relationship between “awakening” and morality… I said that because I wanted a discourse with you, and your responses were being really weird as if I was trying to catch you or something.

    But as the discussion progressed, it seemed more to me that you were mistaking samadhi for “awakening” – and in your effort to catch me in a trap of my own words, caught yourself.
    Samadhi isn’t “awakening” Fred.

  23. Fred
    Fred September 10, 2013 at 1:22 pm | |

    How would you know?

  24. Shodo
    Shodo September 10, 2013 at 2:31 pm | |

    “How would you know?”

    Because I have teachers that have told me so, and I trust their guidance…
    …and I am in a tradition that says over and over again, that as a beginner who is following their breath, when they become settled enough that samadhi begins to develop, that that is when they are told to practice shikentaza or the first koan Mu.

    Have you ever tried to tell a Zen teacher that you are enlightened because you have moments of samadhi?
    My guess is no, because if you had they probably would have kindly smiled at you, and then rung the bell.

  25. Fred
    Fred September 10, 2013 at 3:14 pm | |

    My first experience like Brads was in 1981, and my mentor was in the 60′s.

    He didn’t ring bells.

  26. Shodo
    Shodo September 10, 2013 at 3:40 pm | |

    Who was your mentor?

  27. buddy
    buddy September 10, 2013 at 3:40 pm | |

    But Fred who had that experience in 1981? I thought there was no one there?

  28. Fred
    Fred September 10, 2013 at 3:45 pm | |

    “and I am in a tradition that says over and over again, that as a beginner who is following their breath”

    1. Shodo
      Shodo September 10, 2013 at 4:02 pm | |

      “and I am in a tradition that says over and over again, that as a beginner who is following their breath”

      …and what do you think this quote you pulled out is showing?

      1. Shodo
        Shodo September 10, 2013 at 5:03 pm | |

        Perhaps you are trying to say: “Ah HA! He’s merely a beginner folks! You can automatically discount him, I’m the most enlightened person on this board!”

        If that is what you are trying to say, them I am glad you are saying it.
        I’m glad that you think I am a beginner in this practice Fred.
        That is because I am a beginner.

        Whatever it is you think happened to you in 1981, maybe it’s time to let go of it and be a beginner again too.

        (FWIW, it has been a good conversation Fred.)

  29. Fred
    Fred September 10, 2013 at 3:47 pm | |

    “But Fred who had that experience in 1981? I thought there was no one there?”

    The same person that was standing on the bridge when Brad had his experience.

  30. Mumbles
    Mumbles September 10, 2013 at 5:55 pm | |

    It’s not an “experience.”

  31. Fred
    Fred September 10, 2013 at 6:50 pm | |

    Yes John.
    What is it then?
    What is what?
    You know the thing they wanted to call an experience.
    I have no idea what the hell you are talking about.
    Something may have happened, but there was no one there when it may have happened.
    Shit, no wonder it’s not the same as Samadhi.

  32. Fred
    Fred September 10, 2013 at 7:08 pm | |

    You could say that something dipped into the Absolute, but there was nothing
    recording this “experience”, ie., there was no self there.

    So as Dogen says the Enlightened will not even know they are enlightened.

    Not that it matters anyway.

  33. Mark Foote
    Mark Foote September 10, 2013 at 10:35 pm | |

    “Have you ever been experienced?…” great to hear, even so.

    “Not necessarily stoned, but… beautiful.”

  34. Mark Foote
    Mark Foote September 10, 2013 at 10:51 pm | |

    “terriers are so fast to catch on to mood- I had Shadow in my lap during the ballgame, but during the commercial my mood darkened and Shadow was gone, so fast…” (comment tonight on a thread about dogs on facebook)

    Their hearts beat fast, those terriers. I don’t guard my mind, the way Nisargadatta and Jesus advised a person should; being aware of my own suffering is so far out of the social norm, yet maybe there is a way there if I can calm down. How do I stay true to this place and this freedom of mind, when freedom knows no bounds of decorum? Mind of friendliness, of compassion, of sympathetic joy, of equanimity in ten directions to infinity is the gate.

    Right, Fred?

  35. Andy
    Andy September 11, 2013 at 8:10 am | |

    It might be helpful for folk to use, and be open about, the distinction between the recollection of realization events couched within a particular context of practice (ie Brad’s) , and between others engendered primarily through the taking of drugs, trauma, or other practices apart from the one whose terms are being adopted.

  36. Fred
    Fred September 11, 2013 at 10:10 am | |

    Nonin Chowaney ( on Sweeping Zen ):

    “We need to remember, however, that awakening is not a permanent event, that all of us, even those who have deeply awakened to our true nature and the nature of our relationship to the rest of the universe can fall into delusion in an instant and act badly, causing harm to ourselves and others. We also have to remember that we are all human beings and are all susceptible to human failings.”

  37. Fred
    Fred September 11, 2013 at 10:13 am | |

    “Realization events engendered primarily through the taking of drugs, trauma, or other practices apart from the one whose terms are being adopted.” ???????

  38. Fred
    Fred September 11, 2013 at 10:15 am | |

    “How do I stay true to this place and this freedom of mind, when freedom knows no bounds of decorum? Mind of friendliness, of compassion, of sympathetic joy, of equanimity in ten directions to infinity is the gate.”

    You are right about this , Mark

  39. Fred
    Fred September 11, 2013 at 11:50 am | |
  40. Mumbles
    Mumbles September 11, 2013 at 8:24 pm | |

    instead of just sitting on yer ass, YOU could’ve been spending an admittance fee to join this poop fest http://boingboing.net/2013/09/09/drones-eye-view-of-burning-m.html where Brad should be if he isn’t, fake-ingesting copious hallucinogens (cause we know he don’t do them), or simply sitting on a mat, waiting for the next neo-hippy girl, to egonize his transmitted hipness post Tassajahara so that he can Zennize her. where the fuck is BruthaBrad anyway? he was ‘sposed to be back from his retweet on the 9th…

  41. Mark Foote
    Mark Foote September 11, 2013 at 9:24 pm | |

    Vanja Palmers, calm mainstay of the brothers and sisters who gathered in appreciation of Kobun, at Burning Man in 2006:

    http://www.cuke.com/sangha_news/burning%20man%20zendo%202006.htm

    I think he gave up doing the zendo there, but he loves to dance.

  42. Andy
    Andy September 12, 2013 at 8:49 am | |

    Misquote:

    “Realization events engendered primarily through the taking of drugs, trauma, or other practices apart from the one whose terms are being adopted.”

    Accurate quote:

    “…recollection of realization events [...] engendered primarily through the taking of drugs, trauma, or other practices apart from the one whose terms are being adopted.”

    As for any comparison made between Brad’s ‘enlightenment porn’, why be so coy? Or was someone measuring from their balls again?

  43. Fred
    Fred September 12, 2013 at 10:50 am | |

    Tony Clifton said:

    “…recollection of realization events [...] engendered primarily through the taking of drugs, trauma, or other practices apart from the one whose terms are being adopted.”

    As for any comparison made between Brad’s ‘enlightenment porn’, why be so coy? Or was someone measuring from their balls again”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_mDTLphIVY

  44. Harlan
    Harlan September 12, 2013 at 12:39 pm | |

    Indeed Mumbles. Where is the man? I feel myself getting older as I wait..

    http://vimeo.com/74033442

  45. Mumbles
    Mumbles September 12, 2013 at 7:57 pm | |

    Harlan, dude, that vid was creepy but cool. Yeah, I dunno. If Brad has reviewed the comments since he left, featuring basically me, Fred, and Mark drifting our respective trips, peehaps he (Brad) has abandoned his own blog as so many many have, eh? Or he is in rehab. He’s a minor celeb & lives in Cali afterall.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQfyT4H_NPw

  46. Mark Foote
    Mark Foote September 12, 2013 at 10:55 pm | |

    driftin’, driftin’; Alabama bound:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7ybJYPZnjI

  47. Mumbles
    Mumbles September 13, 2013 at 4:30 pm | |

    Good stuff, Mark. For some reason I thought Jerry Garcia was in The Charlatans? Hard to improve upon the blues original, pretty much a completely dif. song.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJPOTdxpERI

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