Whose Mind?

Before we get started, I’m looking for places along the East Coast of these here United States to give talks, lead retreats, show the movie about me, play 0DFx gigs maybe, eat pad thai and just generally hang out.

There’s been some interest expressed by folks down south, in Nashville, Atlanta, Richmond, Asheville… Places like that. Maybe I could do a brain boiling Southern Summer Tour.

Or I could be smarter and head up north to avoid some of the summer heat in Montreal, Toronto, Buffalo, Saskatoon…

It’s all up to who invites me.

Also, the weekend of April 26-27, I will be in the Boston area. Does anybody want to set up a talk or something while I’m there?

And I’m still looking for a regular gig in Philadelphia.

Send your inquiries to bradwarnertour@yahoo.com

I am happy to consider a huge range of things. I’ve spoken at Zen Centers, tattoo parlors, people’s living rooms, etc. I’ve run retreats in places that were specifically designed for meditation retreats and I’ve done them at yoga studios, apartments, libraries, etc.

*   *   *

Yesterday I came across a short YouTube video that I found intriguing. Here it is:

The title was “Math Professor DESTROYS Atheist.” I often click on videos with titles like this because I find them endearingly stupid. Nearly anything with a title ending in “OWNS Atheist” or “DESTROYS Atheist” is bound to be silly. The use of ALL CAPS clue you in that it’ll be especially inane. The various arguments that religious fundamentalist think absolutely prove God exists are usually so ridiculous and full of logical holes that I find myself wondering how anyone finds them compelling.

This one isn’t really that great either. It’s a bit more clever than most, though. A number of commenters on the clip say that the math prof is using something they call the “Ignorance Fallacy.” I had to look that up. Here’s what I found. It says, “an ignorance fallacy occurs when a person mistakenly believes something to be true that is not, because he or she does not know enough about the subject to know otherwise. For example, an argument based on stereotype or hasty generalization is an example of ignorance fallacy. Such an argument is persuasive because the audience is ignorant.”

I’m not sure I see how the math prof’s argument is based on that (and none of the commenters who call it that seem to believe they need to say more than those two words). The flaw I find in it is that he says a creative mind can create a universe out of nothing. But this creative mind wouldn’t be creating a universe out of nothing since the creative mind itself would have to exist prior to the universe it created. So that’s not nothing. At best it’s a creative mind floating around in nothingness.

All the arguments for the existence of God that I’ve come across fall apart at this point, if not before. If everything needs a creator, which these guys often say proves God must exist, then who created God? And if God has existed forever, what the hell was he doing before he created the universe? It must have been awfully boring.

Logical arguments for the existence of God are really only useful for providing cheap entertainment. Yet I believe in God. If you want to know why read my latest book.

But what our math professor says about “mind” got me thinking about the fundamental difference between the Buddhist idea of mind and our usual idea of mind. The math prof in the video says that the orderliness of mathematics points to the existence of a mind behind it.

I’ve seen a lot of non-religious people say things that are somewhat similar. We may not believe in God, at least not the kind of God who creates universes because he’s bored, but it is intriguing that the universe is orderly rather than chaotic. That’s a valid mystery. Solving that mystery by envisioning a gigantic white man who decided to make things orderly is silly. But just because that’s not a valid solution doesn’t make the mystery any less mysterious.

The thing about our usual concept of mind is that mind is always paired with a possessor. It’s my mind, your mind, Frank’s mind, Linda’s mind, etc. It’s difficult for us to picture a mind that isn’t possessed by someone. So if there is a mind at work in the fabric of the universe, it has to be someone’s. And the only someone who could have a mind that big would be God. God is the someone who possesses the mind that created the universe.

The Buddhist notion of mind, though, is often presented in the sutras as not having anyone who possesses it. It’s not the mind of God or Buddha. It’s just mind. And mind is not the creator of the universe. It’s an aspect of it.

Buddhist cosmology is almost topsy-turvy of the way we usually envision how stuff works. The 12-fold chain of co-dependent co-origination goes:

1. Ignorance (avidya 無明)

2. Action (samskara 行)

3. Consciousness (vijnana 識)

4. Name and Form (nama-rupa 名色)

5. Senses (sadayatana 六入)

6. Contact (sparsa 触)

7. Feeling (vedana 受)

8. Love (tirshna 愛)

9. Taking (upadana 取)

10. Existence (bhava 有)

11. Birth (jati 生)

12. Aging and Death (jaramarana 老死)

Consciousness, which most people I know identify with mind, is #3 on this list. Most religious folks or New Agers would put it as Big #1 and probably call it God or Mind or even (gak!) Big Mind™. But Buddhism doesn’t give it that coveted spot. Even in the formulation of the Five Skandhas, which are the constituents of what we call a person as well as what we call the universe, consciousness is way on the end (Form, Feelings, Perceptions, Impulses, Consciousness).  (You can read more about the 12-fold chain in my book Sit Down and Shut Up, and about the Five Skandhas in Hardcore Zen, by the way)

So I feel like our mathematician is onto something. But he gets it wrong. It’s not that there is a mind behind the universe and its creation. Yet it is reasonable to include mind in with the other things that make up the universe.

Because we have a very mechanistic view of things and because we think that a mind is always possessed by a someone, it’s hard for us to come to terms with the idea that mind is part of things. We falter and say that if there is a mind it has to be someone’s mind but we can’t rationally come up with any someone who could have a mind like that. All the someones that we can posit who would be of that order of size, age and complexity also turn out to be kind of ridiculous when we examine them in any detail.

I think our mathematician is at least partially correct. There is a mind involved in all of this. It’s just not someone’s mind. The mind that we each imagine that we individually possess, that we imagine is ours and ours alone, turns out not to belong to us at all. It doesn’t belong to anyone. But we know it exists because… well, otherwise who is reading these words?

*   *   *

I wouldn’t mind some donations (see what I did there?). This blog is free but my rent and electricity are not. Your donations help me survive. Thank you!

Registration is now open for our Zen & Yoga Retreat at Mt. Baldy Zen Center May 9-11, 2014

The events page is now updated! Take a look at where I’m gonna be!

You can see the documentary about me,  Brad Warner’s Hardcore Zen, at the following locations:

• April 17, 2014 Los Angeles, CA

• April 20, 2014 San Francisco, CA

ZERO DEFEX will play on May 16, 2014 in Akron, OH

182 Responses

  1. CosmicBrainz
    CosmicBrainz April 5, 2014 at 2:13 pm | |

    You don’t know shit about me, boubi.

    I simply don’t get along with people like you. I’m tired of the red herrings and people bringing random stuff up I’ve said. I’ve never threatened anyone, but I admit, I have expressed anger when people get exceedingly personal, as you are now. Why is my life any of your business? You don’t know how I conduct myself in real life and it’s not easy to infer that from someone’s tone on the Internet, seriously.

    I was raised in a secular household and lived an alienated life, like much of my colleagues. As a consequences, I was always doing homework and minding my own business playing video games. People would tend to avoid me due to my accent and hairiness, and whenever I told people in Middle School my parents were from Iran, they’d say, “Iraq? Haha!” Technically, I have always been a loner and because of that I read a lot on the Internet, such as stuff like Nagarjuna, Zen, and so much more.

    You don’t know shit about me and misconstrue me as being an abusive man. I have never hurt my fiance emotionally or physically. We rarely have arguments, and when we do, it is about financial matters such as work and other related things that have basis in immediate needs. The economy is collapsing. You think I want to be rich and succesful? I just want to get by, you stupid bitch. Not even a Neuroscience M.S. degree is sufficient for decent job prospects.

    I am almost finished my degree, and I don’t think it’s right for you to have ever compared me to Khomeini. I’m not even Muslim or whatever. I simply showed respect to a certain time period of Persia’s history and compared it to its Zoroastrian past. And I’m definitely fine with people and their differing beliefs. I try to avoid radical traditionalist and ethnocentric viewpoints, for example. I have gone WWOOFing in the past too. Also, recently the Tiger Mom talked about why Iranian foreigners are generally successful:

    http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2014/02/05/271981107/tiger-mother-author-spells-out-3-traits-that-drive-success-in-the-u-s

    Boubi, you are stepping over your boundaries and are actually starting genuinely making me angry. As I’ve said, you don’t know shit. You’re just a stupid prejudiced American that has bastardized Zen with your materialistic and consumeristic interpretations. Even your tone oozes with self-entitlement and ignorance of real pain and suffering. Why don’t you walk a bit in the slums and come back to talk to me, so that way you can speak with a little bit more humility, bitch?

  2. CosmicBrainz
    CosmicBrainz April 5, 2014 at 2:22 pm | |

    I think anyone would be scared of you because you are incapable of loving. You only love your own self-image, hence the egotistical pictures of “I Love Boubi”.

    You set up standards and impose them onto others, and when they are not fulfilled in a rigid one-to-one way, you become emotionally abusive and stupid, by giving conjectures that only medical professionals or whatnot ought to give.

    In other words, you are incapable of loving because you always stay within your comfort zone and simply want other people to comfort you. It is like a positive feedback loop for your ego. You are incapable of loving because there always has to be a benefit in return and you do not expect less.

    In other words, you are a stupid bitch. You should be looking at yourself, non-judgmentally and with a non-abiding awareness, in order to understand what you are. You are simply projecting what you truly need when you say I need a “pacemaker” in my brain, break up my relationship (due to supposedly being controlling which I’m not), or take medical drugs for a misconstrued “depression”. The fact you make this exceedingly personal indicates issues on your part, you cunt.

    You bastardize Zen just to make yourself feel better and not because you truly want to know who you are. I don’t have time for this. You’re the judgmental faggot who needs medical help, and I don’t doubt that you have sought it and taken drugs in the past. I don’t think it’s helped you, and I’m willing to even guess your present life is in shambles and not orderly with set goals and aspirations.

  3. CosmicBrainz
    CosmicBrainz April 5, 2014 at 2:35 pm | |

    Also, the fact you misconstrue me as having harmed cats or other innocent animals would make me punch your sandy cunt, bitch. I have done community service at Humane Societies based off my OWN choice. I admit… I will have to harm rats soon… but that’s okay, I guess. I’ll deal with the future nightmares…

  4. CosmicBrainz
    CosmicBrainz April 5, 2014 at 2:40 pm | |

    Well, I don’t know if “harm” is the right word because I will be using analgesics and anesthesia on the rats…

    Anyways, I recommend committing suicide, boubi. I think all medical treatment is futile for your condition of being a piece of shit.

    http://tinyurl.com/m3wv72r

  5. boubi
    boubi April 5, 2014 at 2:43 pm | |
  6. boubi
    boubi April 5, 2014 at 2:45 pm | |

    I don’t think you have a girlfriend …

    Calling me a cunt, come on kiddo … LOL

  7. boubi
    boubi April 5, 2014 at 2:55 pm | |

    “I was raised in a secular household and lived an alienated life ….
    Technically, I have always been a loner …
    actually starting genuinely making me angry …
    You’re just a stupid prejudiced American that has bastardized Zen …
    In other words, you are a stupid bitch …
    you cunt…
    You bastardize Zen…
    You’re the judgmental faggot …
    I recommend committing suicide, boubi …
    your condition of being a piece of shit…”

    I recommend you getting implanted some wire, you saw the pictures, do you think the wires would match with your hairyness?

    You’ll just feel better, we can even give a remote to your “girl”friend.

  8. CosmicBrainz
    CosmicBrainz April 5, 2014 at 3:08 pm | |

    I’m married.

    Anyways, may you please stop it with the shit-flinging contest?

    I also don’t think you’ve ever read a real scientific journal, so your naive fascination with Neuroscience is skim. Stuff like deep brain stimulation is used on disorders like major depression disorder (MDD) or schizophrenia. I have neither, and I get along with people fine in real life as long as I don’t bring up sensitive topics like religion, politics, or whatever.

    If you’re willing to put your differences aside, I’ll apologize for not communicating effectively over the Internet and for my scathing tone. However, if you want to remain staunch and hold onto your infantile grudge, go right ahead.

    Like I’ve said, you cannot judge someone’s behavior in real life based off your perceived hostile tone of theirs on the Internet. You call me “kiddo”, but you act even more immature.

  9. boubi
    boubi April 5, 2014 at 3:16 pm | |

    You know hurting pets is one of the foresigns of murderous behaviours, specifically of serial killers.

    It’s been at least a couple of years that you wish ppl to die, threaten them with violent death, just on this blog, this is another sign.

    You have to realize that you’ve already lost it, you’re beyond repair, you don’t seem to be fixable by analysis anymore, we believe that only a radical intervention will avoid the worst, for you and society at large.

    Maybe you”ll even appear on some medical journal … think about it, your very own moment of notoriety. They will show you around. With some more wiring you won’t need to worry about “desires”, life will flow smooth and quiet without those urges.

    Think about it.

  10. CosmicBrainz
    CosmicBrainz April 5, 2014 at 3:23 pm | |

    I have never hurt pets, you stupid bitch.

    Can you stop this?

    I made it clear I never have! Your subtle insults are starting to piss me off.

    I have helped Humane Societies in the past, and I never even killed game even when I went WWOOFing.

    I am actually doing well in my real life, so can you stop getting exceedingly personal?

    Do you want me to apologize, so you can stop?

    Also, society does not dictate what is good or bad. Why do you place your faith in society’s need for “radical intervention”? In my opinion, you are more like Khomeini than myself, lol. I am not like Khomeini at all…

  11. boubi
    boubi April 5, 2014 at 3:26 pm | |

    “fine in real life as long as I don’t bring up sensitive topics like religion, politics, or whatever”
    … and then you lose it, yes?

    Do you remember what happens or do you find yourself in places where you don’t remember how you got there?

    In fact you look like a subject with some grave disorder. You should be scanned while shown images, odors, short movies and see if some overactivity happens in some parts of your brain.

    You’re married or have a girlfriend, why this reality shifting?

    Do yourself a favor, call the psychiatric ward, try to get in touch with a professional, it may hurt the ego, but it can avoid worse interventions.

    Take your pills !

  12. CosmicBrainz
    CosmicBrainz April 5, 2014 at 3:35 pm | |

    You’re a stupid bitch. I’m getting tired of your constant red herrings, and your inability to put aside your feelings in order to speak without bias.

    Listen, I don’t know you, and I don’t care to know you due to my own goals at the moment. I am not going to feign a professional diagnosis. I seriously don’t know who the fuck you are, but you are exceedingly annoying with your grudge by trying to step over your bounds.

    I have talked about political matters with people. I have never gotten angry at them. I did however get into a fight once in high school because someone started chanting we should bomb Iran and make it a lake. That was only once in my life when I was young. I have never gotten into a fight with anyone else, and that was 6-8 yrs ago.

    I asked my wife if I was ever abusive, and she said no. She said I am annoying sometimes, however.

    Seriously, can you quit with your bullshit? Don’t you realize in trying to constantly diagnose me, you come off as having more of a disorder yourself? You’re kind of narcissistic. I’m willing to put aside my conceptions of you to apologize, but it seems you are not capable of the same. So yeah, you can continue saying I need professional help… I’m not posting here, and I’m not getting any “professional help”. I’m perfectly fine, and you cannot infer my behavioral characteristics based off your limited interactions with me over the Internet. I, likewise, cannot do the same.

    Btw, I have taken classes on Neuroimaging. I probably know more about it than you.

  13. boubi
    boubi April 5, 2014 at 3:38 pm | |

    Come on, drop the “society” excuse, do yourself a favor.

    It’s not the society that’s fucked up, realize that it’s you, you are the misfit.

    You say
    “Why do you place your faith in society’s need for “radical intervention”? ”

    Sorry, you already forgot that you are the one who rules who has to live and who has to die, who isn’t needed in this world? And not once but a agin and again.

    Don’t you remember, or was it that voice in your head that made you do things?
    Or was it some entity that got hold of you while you were forced watch, powerless, to your body “dong things” being under some “external” power?

    Sorry it’s you, it’s not some “new friend”, some Tyler Durden, no one else, you’re making all up.
    You don’t study, you’re not married, you’re a complete fuck up who needs to compensate. Unluckyly it’s not a movie it’s your life.

    Are you making soap too?

  14. CosmicBrainz
    CosmicBrainz April 5, 2014 at 3:41 pm | |

    I’m going to be serious here. I want to cut out the drama and vendettas aside…

    but have you ever had daddy issues? I’m just wondering…

    You’re pretty hostile with your insults when you’re angry… My experiences have told me most women who go crazy with insults when they’re indignant and/or hold grudges… generally have daddy issues.

    I’m just wondering.

  15. CosmicBrainz
    CosmicBrainz April 5, 2014 at 3:45 pm | |

    “Sorry it’s you, it’s not some “new friend”, some Tyler Durden, no one else, you’re making all up.
    You don’t study, you’re not married, you’re a complete fuck up who needs to compensate. Unluckyly it’s not a movie it’s your life.

    Are you making soap too?”

    Well, if that’s what you want to believe about me… You sound kinda delirious at this point. I hope I didn’t pull too bad of a string… I feel kind of bad…

    I mean, how can I prove otherwise? I don’t see what’s there to gain by lying about my credentials and life experience…?

    I have to go back to my Coursera class now. I’m learning Python on Coursera. Paid 39 dollars for it, and I have procrastinated on it. My higher-level math and programming skills suck, so I am spending extra time on them. I am just coming on here hoping for you to drop these vehement accusations… I want the thing to dissolve with apologies and a letting go of our conceptions of each other. I apologize.

    *gassho*

  16. boubi
    boubi April 5, 2014 at 3:46 pm | |

    Why apologize now?
    It’s been over two years that you wish death to people, insult them when you have “your time”.

    Why now? Is it because your delusion is starting to crack at the seams? Reality is starting to show up? You don’t want to realize that all is just a figment of your imagination? That the “wife” to whom you talked was just a little bit before a “girl”friend?

    It seems to be the crisis that brings down everything.

    When you have insomnia, you’re never really asleep… and you’re never really awake.

  17. boubi
    boubi April 5, 2014 at 3:51 pm | |
  18. CosmicBrainz
    CosmicBrainz April 5, 2014 at 3:52 pm | |

    Ugh, I never threatened anyone. I responded angrily to Andr3w, at that time, because he was doing the same thing, as you are now. I never threatened to hurt him though, and I’m not the kind of person to do it. I have never harmed anyone.

    I do talk on 4chan, Maddox fan forums, and procrastinate too much. I think that’s what contributed to my caustic Internet tone.

    I got angry at you because you drew a comparison between me and Khomeini. Just a note of caution: don’t do that to any Persian regardless of their opinions.

    If my sensei were to read this, I think he would be extremely ashamed for good reason…

    When I was boxing, whenever I got hit, I would hit back much harder. I was good at bobbing and weaving and had a strong chin, but I had horrible footwork. I had a powerful right for my weight-class though…

    I think I’ve learned sometimes it’s best to back out and not be too much on the defensive, flinging even worse insults that can hurt the other… I guess I can be pretty callous and stupid. Idk why but the Internet tends to make me like that, making it seem like I lack composure.

    Whenever I get into arguments, I go on the defensive. It happens rarely in real life, but I think I’m learning it’s not good to be overly defensive…

  19. boubi
    boubi April 5, 2014 at 3:54 pm | |

    You plainly don’t have a clue of what you are saying.

    Go to sleep.

  20. CosmicBrainz
    CosmicBrainz April 5, 2014 at 3:57 pm | |

    SO have you ever had daddy problems?

    Also, if you don’t believe me about my background, I can send essays I’ve written for classes.

    I don’t understand why you think I’m making things up?

  21. CosmicBrainz
    CosmicBrainz April 5, 2014 at 4:07 pm | |

    essays or unofficial transcript…

    Idk about the unofficial transcript because you may track my name.

    I think it’s hilarious that you’ve gone as far as denying everything I’ve said on the basis of your limited perspective.

    It’s like you’re not even listening. You are pretty vindictive. I mean, man, I’m willing to drop this. I don’t like being construed as…

    A) having harmed animals
    B) having psychopathic urges, making me likely to be a serial killer
    C) sharing similar mindsets as Khomeini just because I think Islam’s more lenient branches such as Sufism can be tolerant. Ex. include 800-1200 AD Persia and Safavid Empire
    D) having a mental disorder requiring medication
    E) having a fake life

    I have / have done none of these things.

    I admit though:

    A) I am horrible at communicating on Internet and I do have scathing language sometimes – but not as frequently in real life.

  22. The Grand Canyon
    The Grand Canyon April 6, 2014 at 3:56 am | |

    “Worst. Thread. Ever.”
    – Comic Book Guy

    1. minkfoot
      minkfoot April 6, 2014 at 5:57 am | |

      Oh, I don’t know. This is pretty interesting:
      “It’s like you’re not even listening. You are pretty vindictive. I mean, man, I’m willing to drop this.”

      Life (like sex, religion, etc.) is too important to take seriously.

  23. Shodo
    Shodo April 6, 2014 at 6:14 am | |

    it’s like watching two assholes in a farting contest…

  24. shade
    shade April 6, 2014 at 8:15 am | |

    Forgive me if it’s not my place to put in – but you all need to cut this shit out. And by “you all” I mean anyone who clogs up the comment sections with petty personal attacks which have nothing to do with the topic at hand. Conflict and disagreement are one thing. Four letter invectives are another. I would call it childish except that that would be an insult to children. If you absolutely have to engage in these venomous squabbles there are countless mean, shadowy corners of the internet more conducive to that type of thing.

    This is technically a public forum, kids. So stop shitting in the cistern.

    1. boubi
      boubi April 6, 2014 at 2:15 pm | |

      So prude … come on, the 4 letter word.

      Someone even uttered a 5 letter word at Waterloo, imagine the rudeness.

      But you’re right let’s keep this place nice and clean and let’s keep the back nice and straight, we must give the exemple, people are judging us from our behaviour.

      Won’t do it again, Sir!

      LOL

  25. Mark Foote
    Mark Foote April 6, 2014 at 10:04 am | |

    Using Google’s wonderful tool, I discover that I asserted boubi to be a woman in the comments on “What is Enlightenment” 26 May 2013. Shortly there was this comment from boubi:

    —”If Boubi is indeed a woman, than she has the dubious distinction of out-assholing all the men on this comments section.”—

    Sorry boyz, i’d rather say OUTDICKED by a woman, which is rather a stunning performance even for nowaday standards of masculinity ! LOL”

    Guess I took that as an affirmation. Not sure where I got the idea you were female at that time, from some prior thread but I can’t think what else to search on.

    Rereading past threads, I mourn the loss of many of the fine voices that were heard, like Harry B., Broken Yogi, and especially Khru. Hopefully all are well and keeping things alive in other comment sections.

    1. boubi
      boubi April 6, 2014 at 2:08 pm | |

      “OUTDICKED by a woman”

      I nearly fell down from my chair … :)

      Maybe it was someone who thougt that my name wasn’t macho enough … but being a cunt i didn’t mind LOL

    2. boubi
      boubi April 6, 2014 at 2:24 pm | |

      KONG was intriguing , really !

      It was a refreshing presence among the amout of reashed wording dumped on the blog.
      I allways wondered if he (she?) was just having a great time.

  26. Mark Foote
    Mark Foote April 6, 2014 at 10:05 am | |

    Interesting that you let my assertion stand, boubi; always the devil’s advocate!

  27. CosmicBrainz
    CosmicBrainz April 6, 2014 at 12:21 pm | |

    I was on topic until Boubi brought unrelated stuff to derogate me randomly.

    I gave very erudite, well thought out opinions on the Hard Problem of Consciousness until Boubi brought personal crap into the middle of it.

    1. boubi
      boubi April 6, 2014 at 2:58 pm | |

      “I gave very erudite, well thought out opinions on the Hard Problem of Consciousness until …”

      - very erudite
      - well thought
      - Hard Problem of Consciousness

      Woaw ! LOL LOL LOL LOL

      Plainly
      http://www.watchcartoononline.com/thumbs/MAD-Season-4-Episode-21-Doraline–Monster-Mashville.jpg

      1. boubi
        boubi April 6, 2014 at 3:03 pm | |

        “I gave very erudite, well thought out opinions on the Hard Problem of Consciousness until …”

        You just made my day, boy !

  28. Mark Foote
    Mark Foote April 6, 2014 at 12:58 pm | |

    “Whenever I get into arguments, I go on the defensive. It happens rarely in real life, but I think I’m learning it’s not good to be overly defensive…”– it’s ok if you take only the positive and substantive in what people have to say here as real; at least in my experience, that’s what’s real.

    Meanwhile, over on Tao Bums, somebody was wondering why it’s so hard to talk about “the true self”, why everybody seems to want to avoid that conversation. May I offer my response, to the Hardcore Non-Bums!

    “Yes, it is exciting to talk with like-minded souls, but difficult to keep the focus on the necessity at the moment, without which there’s no communication.

    Impossible to discover the mutual necessity at the moment without experiencing that necessity personally in the relinquishment of volition and the corresponding induction of a state between waking and sleeping. Volition is relinquished through relaxation in the movement of breath. With regard to thought, that relaxation manifests as “deliverance from thought without grasping” (not my phrase), and the possibility of action without the exercise of volition which is a particular kind of freedom.”

  29. Andy
    Andy April 6, 2014 at 2:00 pm | |

    I was raised in a secular household and lived an alienated life, like much of my colleagues. As a consequences, I was always doing homework and minding my own business playing video games. People would tend to avoid me due to my accent and hairiness, and whenever I told people in Middle School my parents were from Iran, they’d say, “Iraq? Haha!” Technically, I have always been a loner

    Cosmic. You. Are. A. Comedy. Genius.

    I cried.

  30. Andy
    Andy April 6, 2014 at 2:07 pm | |

    Also, the fact you misconstrue me as having harmed cats or other innocent animals would make me punch your sandy cunt, bitch. I have done community service at Humane Societies based off my OWN choice. I admit… I will have to harm rats soon… but that’s okay, I guess. I’ll deal with the future nightmares…

    Sweet, sweet Jesus

    1. boubi
      boubi April 6, 2014 at 2:27 pm | |

      “I get along with people fine in real life as long as I don’t bring up sensitive topics like religion, politics, or whatever.”

      As long as …

      You’re right
      Sweet, sweet Jesus

      PS
      How do you make italics

      1. boubi
        boubi April 6, 2014 at 2:28 pm | |

        “I get along with people fine in real life as long as I don’t bring up sensitive topics like religion, politics, or whatever.”

        The key lays in “whatever”

  31. boubi
    boubi April 6, 2014 at 2:50 pm | |

    OK, i’ll behave.

    Let’s drop the shitting in the comunal water and let’s go back to serious and ponderous matters at hand.

    “I think our mathematician is at least partially correct. There is a mind involved in all of this. It’s just not someone’s mind. The mind that we each imagine that we individually possess, that we imagine is ours and ours alone, turns out not to belong to us at all. It doesn’t belong to anyone. But we know it exists because… well, otherwise who is reading these words?”

    Just ask a blind man.

    For the sake of explantion.

    I don’t have anything against people believing in what they want, it belongs to the privacy sphere.
    What i desagree is seeing lame justification for it … ask a blind person who is reading this page now
    Most probably the answer will be “not me for sure”.

    Brad you once said that your master stated that , for him the Tibetan weren’t buddhists. Now, why someone who believe in God and says he feels it meditating should be buddhist, there’s no God in Siddharta’s teachings. But sutras state that reincarnation exist, you deny it …

    IMO there are core (as in heart) tenets and then the rest.

    Siddharta G. aka Sakyamuni Buddha started his quest in search for the ending of
    - suffering from illness
    - suffering from old age
    - suffering from death (fear of it?)

  32. CosmicBrainz
    CosmicBrainz April 6, 2014 at 3:10 pm | |

    Nagarjuna explains how we can never speak of necessity but only contingency (i.e., what x depends on for its existence). As a consequence, we cannot speak of causal forces as if they are inhered into reality; we can only speak of them in a provisional sense.

    The function of a belief is to use them in order to guide action as a way to minimize energy expenditure. For example, a bee whizzes around wasting a lot of energy in order to get to its goal, but we can utilize beliefs in order to accomplish certain tasks more efficiently.

    The point of Mahayana and Madhyamaka Buddhism is the cessation of imposing structures, in the form of beliefs, onto the world – as a way to understand ourselves or derive meaning. My point is to utilize beliefs for specific goals, but not to assume they permit the ability to devise ontological schemas.

    The non-abiding awareness and present moment of Zen does not point to any ontological substratum of reality. It is simply a phenomenology that does not make anymore conjectures than it has to.

    The Platonic urge of trying to posit a “substance” in the form of “Pure Consciousness” or a “Soul” has to be done away with. Julius Bahnsen’s (i.e., a colleague of Schopenhauer’s) philosophical project does a good job at this. Process Philosophy also does a good job with this, but Buddhism is more about the deconstruction of Time (i.e., the end of Becoming) wherein one’s thought processes do not perpetuate the ‘Becoming’. Belief in a continual build-up of an “I” is counterproductive to one’s apprehension of life, unless it is used in a provisional sense for specific goals.

    Also, could you guys stop bickering about me? Do you have any doubt at all about who you think I am? If I weren’t good at being social, I wouldn’t be able to get where I am (i.e., networking for Internships and other jobs).

    I’m sick of tired of you arrogance. You hold onto your conceptions of others and you cling onto beliefs as if they have a one-to-one correspondence with reality. Where is your doubt? Why can’t you acknowledge limitations in your beliefs as I have?

    Your overabundance of self-consciousness will be your downfalls. I don’t entirely agree with Peter Wessel Zapffe entirely, but he was onto something:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Wessel_Zapffe#Contentions

  33. Bizzle
    Bizzle April 6, 2014 at 3:14 pm | |

    My death is coming…

  34. Bizzle
    Bizzle April 6, 2014 at 3:14 pm | |

    … what did I do for Peace?

  35. boubi
    boubi April 6, 2014 at 3:24 pm | |

    Going back to “Psycho”.

    Pulling other people legs isn’t a very nice thing to do, it’s a bit basic, it’s unsofisticated, i admit it, it’s not in those dignified spheres where some are dwelling.
    Sometimes reading some posts i fell like some kind of unwashed barbarian paysant in a very cultured litterate symposium, where ideas a being traded, voices aren’t rised.

    But eating beans causes farting and sometimes i even scratch my arse, sorry.

    But you can also recognise that wishing other people to die, cursing them with sexist C*** words and others, not once but as an habit, just because (from the horse’s mouth) “I get along with people fine in real life as long as I don’t bring up sensitive topics like religion, politics, or whatever.” isn’t soooo fine either.

    So what you do? You push kiddo and see the typical reactions of this kind of sad situation … don’t blame me (not too much of course), you know all consequences have a cause.

    I still believe he should be restrained for the higher good, maybe wired too, the pic was self explicit.

    LOL

    1. boubi
      boubi April 6, 2014 at 3:34 pm | |

      Oh BTW, i imagine that beings endowed with higher level of consciousness, so much more advanced in The Path, well aware of intricacies of the Dharma and the laws of Karma, deeped in Compassion, those same beings will cast a compassionate (ibidem) look upon this poor soul that i am, and won’t condemn me , but on the contrary will give me more chances to show that i am worthy of their company.

      I thus declare myself innocent of all wrongdoing and ready to give my contribution to the society at large.

      Amen

  36. Fred
    Fred April 6, 2014 at 3:28 pm | |

    “I’m sick of tired of you arrogance. You hold onto your conceptions of others and you cling onto beliefs as if they have a one-to-one correspondence with reality. Where is your doubt? Why can’t you acknowledge limitations in your beliefs as I have?”

    You haven’t done any of that. They are mere words from your intellect.

  37. CosmicBrainz
    CosmicBrainz April 6, 2014 at 3:43 pm | |

    “but on the contrary will give me more chances to show that i am worthy of their company.”

    Buddhas do not look at beings as being either worthy or unworthy. They break from such dualistic paradigms of thinking. They look at things in a more practical sense.

    I admit, I have approached people in a very caustic way on the Internet, and I could have done better to improve that. However, you are the one who brought unrelated, off-topic drama into this. Once again, you have also failed to respond to the meat of my message. You too, Andy.

    If you look at a person’s character as a way to judge the veracity of what they say, you will not get far. It is a drama show then, where you seek to prove your worth onto others by throwing around flashy words.

    The very fact you want to prove you are worthy to Buddhas, boubi, will inflict more suffering/Dukkha than anything else.

    It is as if, society has conditioned itself into you, making you feel overly secure with its promises of rigidity in the flux of reality. There is nothing in this world that one can derive a sense of security from…

    The very attempt to grasp meaning will be your undoing. It is the cessation of grasping that answers unveil themselves, and they can never be enunciated in simple-minded, dualistic intellectualizations.

    1. boubi
      boubi April 6, 2014 at 3:56 pm | |

      Come on, behave yourself !

      Let’s nto talking of “meat” in front of a lady !

      “The very fact you want to prove you are worthy to Buddhas, ”
      . … my god !
      Yes , please i want to be worthy to Buddha (with capital, is it right?)
      i don’t want to go to hell, pleeease

    2. boubi
      boubi April 6, 2014 at 3:59 pm | |

      There is nothing in this world that one can derive a sense of security from…

      Bloody heel, not even cash ?

    3. boubi
      boubi April 6, 2014 at 4:05 pm | |

      The very attempt to grasp meaning will be your undoing. It is the cessation of grasping that answers unveil themselves, and they can never be enunciated in simple-minded, dualistic intellectualizations.

      WOW

      So The Poet seems right in saying :
      Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

      It’s self explaining, i think you can agree upon it

  38. boubi
    boubi April 6, 2014 at 3:47 pm | |

    I mean, clearer than this …

    “Pataphysics is the science of that which is superinduced upon metaphysics, whether within or beyond the latter’s limitations, extending as far beyond metaphysics as the latter extends beyond physics. … Pataphysics will be, above all, the science of the particular, despite the common opinion that the only science is that of the general. Pataphysics will examine the laws governing exceptions, and will explain the universe supplementary to this one.”

    or even better said

    “the science of imaginary solutions, which symbolically attributes the properties of objects, described by their virtuality, to their lineaments”

    Now this is not exactly Pantanjali, but it gets rather near to some deep realities discussed herabove.

  39. CosmicBrainz
    CosmicBrainz April 6, 2014 at 4:01 pm | |

    There is no such thing as higher level of good or higher level of consciousness. Zen is not about some nebulous ascension or glorification of a higher ideal, like the mainstream variants of the Abrahamic Faiths. It is more basic than that.

    “The seed of a metaphysical or religious defeat is in us all. For the honest questioner, however, who doesn’t seek refuge in some faith or fantasy, there will never be an answer.” – Zapffe

    The answer lies in ceasing to grasp for an answer because the way we make sense of reality and piece it together is already tinged with bias and Dukkha. Mu before precedes, proceeds, and works within the question and the answer itself. Zazen is not the same as magick which tries to actualized higher constructed ideals.

    1. CosmicBrainz
      CosmicBrainz April 6, 2014 at 4:01 pm | |

      print “Mu precedes* take out before”

  40. boubi
    boubi April 6, 2014 at 4:08 pm | |

    Are you aquainted with Mu?

  41. boubi
    boubi April 6, 2014 at 4:13 pm | |

    “The seed of a metaphysical or religious defeat is in us all. For the honest questioner, however, who doesn’t seek refuge in some faith or fantasy, there will never be an answer.” – Zapffe

    No answer, really?

    We’re left there with a metaphysical hard on, so to speak, and no release?

    How can we keep going with such an existenstal dilema?
    So the others become hell?

  42. CosmicBrainz
    CosmicBrainz April 6, 2014 at 4:16 pm | |

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_(negative)

    Recommend reading Blue Cliff Record (Thomas Clearly transl.) and Red Pine’s poetry and sutta translations.

  43. boubi
    boubi April 6, 2014 at 4:26 pm | |

    But could you enlighten me with your knowledge of the Mu?

    It would be in line withour new friendship, yes?

    1. boubi
      boubi April 6, 2014 at 4:28 pm | |

      Yes?

      Please.

      I know you would be kind with a lady.

      Come on, some Mu. Just once.

  44. boubi
    boubi April 6, 2014 at 4:29 pm | |

    Look, it’s not me, but a few say that i hold a resemblance

    http://assassinbug.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/brigitte_bardot.jpg

    1. boubi
      boubi April 6, 2014 at 4:32 pm | |

      How would you say i rate a 7? 8? more? you’re very kind !

      Come on, you can say it …

  45. CosmicBrainz
    CosmicBrainz April 6, 2014 at 4:34 pm | |

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgwOjjoYtco

    ‘The very condition of a deconstruction may be at work in the work, within the system to be deconstructed. It may already be located there, already at work. Not at the center, but in an eccentric center, in a corner whose eccentricity assures the solid concentration of the system, participating in the construction of what it, at the same time, threatens to deconstruct. One might then be inclined to reach this conclusion: deconstruction is not an operation that supervenes afterwards, from the outside, one fine day. It is always already at work in the work. Since the destructive force of Deconstruction is always already contained within the very architecture of the work, all one would finally have to do to be able to deconstruct, given this always already, is to do memory work. Yet since I want neither to accept nor to reject a conclusion formulated in precisely these terms, let us leave this question suspended for the moment.’

    Very similar to Mu.

  46. boubi
    boubi April 6, 2014 at 4:38 pm | |

    Did you like the picture?

  47. CosmicBrainz
    CosmicBrainz April 6, 2014 at 4:41 pm | |

    You keep getting off topic with your silly tangents!

  48. boubi
    boubi April 6, 2014 at 4:48 pm | |

    I beg your pardon, won’t do it again, no more silly tangents, promised.

    I must admit that we all need someone a bit stern to keep us steady in the question at hand.

    Of course Derida, on such a Path you cannot avoid him, he stands as a pillar, a mountain of steel erected in front of us.

    Here a video of a comentator of the great Derida
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY6I1b4gvow

    It’s not in english but you can feel the intensity

Leave a Reply

You must be logged in to post a comment.