BYE BYE TOKIO!

My World Domination Tour 2009 is officially done (though it looks like I’ll have some Canadian dates to announce in November). The retreat at Tokei-in temple in Shizuoka, Japan ended yesterday. It was real and it was fun and it was real fun. We had 14 people at the beginning and ended with 16. This is a reverse of the usual order of things, in which someone always runs away from the retreat before it’s done. We actually gained in numbers this time! How about that?

About my only complaint was that it was yet again another sausage fest. The ratio would have been a bit better but for the fact that two of the women who signed up had to cancel out before the retreat began due to personal matters. Even so, the ratio would have been still way too man heavy.

It’s not always like this. The retreat I led at Southern Dharma Retreat Center earlier this year had more women than men, and the one I led near Munich was even-steven with five of each. But the general trend tends to be more male dominated. I’ve mentioned this before and I still don’t have a good reason for it. Such is life, I suppose.

This trip has been a great opportunity to meet a lot of the other Dogen Sangha people. I spent a couple nights with Mike Leutchford, met Jeremy Pearson, had lunch with Richard Morrisey, got shown around London by Rachelle Allen, sat sesshins with Michele Proulx, Gabrielle Linnebach and Gerhard Wolfram, saw all of Finland with Markus Laitenen, made some really nice connections with Jurgen Seggelke, Gustav Ericsson, Nicole de Merkline and Kevin Bortolin, and even had some very friendly contact with Mike Cross. I’m starting to think this Dogen Sangha thing just might work after all.

In mere hours I’ll be winging my way back to the USA where I’ll stay for at least a couple of days (sorry, I couldn’t resist). Well until I go to Canada anyway.

And, HEY MEXICO, my dad’s moving to your country (he says) and wants me to come visit in December. So if anyone down South of the Border wants me to come speak there, shoot me an email (spoozilla@gmail.com). But don’t actually shoot me, OK?

All right. I gotta go. I promise a real Zen article some time after I get back.

Rock on, world!

195 Responses

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  1. Anonymous
    Anonymous September 25, 2009 at 1:17 pm | |

    Anonymous said…

    I don't have balls to scratch.

    Brad may want you at his next retreat – unless of course you did have balls but they fell off / got scratched off / got stolen by that dreadful Mr Cohen…

  2. Smoggyrob
    Smoggyrob September 25, 2009 at 2:28 pm | |

    Jundo:

    You are ignoring the point of all this. You are not Brad's brother and this isn't your sangha. Dogen Sangha is a sangha that has the distinctive quality of being "not yours". Treeleaf is your sangha. Hang out anywhere else online and teach whatever you like. But if anyone conflates what you teach, say, or do as having any sort of association with Dogen Sangha, that's damaging to Dogen Sangha's reputation. The evidence suggests that your Buddhist thoughts and Nishijima's and Brad's Buddhist thoughts are irreconcilably different. You were asked to leave for a reason and in my opinion it's better for you as well as Dogen Sangha if you do leave.

    Rob

  3. Smoggyrob
    Smoggyrob September 25, 2009 at 2:40 pm | |

    Gniz:

    Nice troll. I would say I act online like I do offline. I've cussed since I was a little kid, and I've worked in the automotive repair industry for over twenty years. Cussing is punctuation to me. If you've noticed some change it's probably just my becoming more comfortable expressing myself in this forum. It means I love you.

    Rob

  4. Empty The Movie
    Empty The Movie September 25, 2009 at 2:52 pm | |

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  5. Anonymous
    Anonymous September 25, 2009 at 2:59 pm | |

    Wow Rob… Taking on the mantle of Dogen Sangha President now?

    Yep, start dictatin' who can and can't associate with whom, and who's a dharma brother and who isn't.

    Hail to the Chief.

  6. Anonymous
    Anonymous September 25, 2009 at 3:03 pm | |

    Looks to me that Rob was just statin' the facts.

    Kudos to Rob!

  7. Anonymous
    Anonymous September 25, 2009 at 3:11 pm | |

    Fool…

    If Rob were privy to every conversation, every email, etc, then, and only then, would I agree that he's (possibly) stating facts.

    From here, it looks like opinion.

  8. Anonymous
    Anonymous September 25, 2009 at 3:19 pm | |

    Ron wrote:
    ***********
    "Dogen Sangha is a sangha that has the distinctive quality of being "not yours". Treeleaf is your sangha."
    ***********

    Uh…you don't have to be privy to every e-mail conversation to know the above.

    Like…Duuuuuuhhhhh!!!

  9. Smoggyrob
    Smoggyrob September 25, 2009 at 3:53 pm | |

    Hi everyone:

    Dogen Sangha only exists as ideas in our heads. We each have our own ideas. Every opinion I express is entirely my own.

    Rob

  10. Anonymous
    Anonymous September 25, 2009 at 4:04 pm | |

    Rob, with all due respect, what you said above sounds very solipsistic.

  11. another DS guy on the "outs"
    another DS guy on the "outs" September 25, 2009 at 4:11 pm | |

    You were asked to leave for a reason and in my opinion it's better for you as well as Dogen Sangha if you do leave.

    Jundo was not asked to leave. The leaf left the imaginary Dogen Sangha International/Dogen Sangha on its own accord. Me too, and many other people over the years. However Jundo and Brad and I are still members of the Sangha of Nishijima Sensei's Dharma Heirs. In the even more encompassing Zen Sangha, that is know known as being "Dharma Brothers".

    In the most all encompassing Sangha of space and time, none of this amounts to a hill of beans.

    I am sure Jundo loves you too, Rob.

    You must be a good mechanic, Rob. But you seem to have a real problem finding the true cause of this breakdown. Just start looking in yourself.

  12. Anonymous
    Anonymous September 25, 2009 at 4:17 pm | |

    Um, I don't understand where this notion that Dogen Sanga is an imaginary Sanga comes from. More solipsism. "If I don't acknowledge it it doesn't exist."

    Nishijima appointed Brad head of Dogen Sanga.

    There is nothing "imaginary" about that.

  13. Anonymous
    Anonymous September 25, 2009 at 4:40 pm | |

    When is daddy going to come home and write a real zen article for us? Maybe how real zen is telling your dharma bros and sis's to fuck off. Or maybe daddy has resigned from this blog too. Maybe he's quit zen altogether. I wonder how all the sycophants would spin that?

  14. Anonymous
    Anonymous September 25, 2009 at 5:14 pm | |

    Spin this dork.

  15. Anonymous
    Anonymous September 25, 2009 at 5:29 pm | |

    Um, I don't understand where this notion that Dogen Sanga is an imaginary Sanga comes from. More solipsism. "If I don't acknowledge it it doesn't exist."

    Nishijima appointed Brad head of Dogen Sanga.

    But Brad resigned as head of Dogen Sangha.

    However, if Dogen Sangha is imaginary, then so is Brad's seeming resignation!

    In that case, Brad is still head of Dogen Sangha!!

    Unless, of course, Brad is imaginary too?

  16. Rick
    Rick September 25, 2009 at 5:31 pm | |

    Solipsism means "the theory that only the self exists, or can be proved to exist."

    No Buddhist would accept this theory as valid, and it has nothing to do with the statements that DSI is "imaginary."

    You can't put your hands on DSI. It is a bunch of 'dead' words. A concept some people accept, others don't.

    It's as real as the self, and that's no solipsism.

  17. Rick Shaw
    Rick Shaw September 25, 2009 at 5:58 pm | |

    This place just seems to turn dharma brother against dharma brother. One must accept that one's Teacher is correct, and that the Teacher speaks Truth. If one is continually second guessing the Speakings of their Teacher, or those who have attained (whatever it is) one should then question who it is that is always second-guessing?

  18. Anonymous
    Anonymous September 25, 2009 at 6:29 pm | |

    One must accept that one's Teacher is correct, and that the Teacher speaks Truth.

    A recipe for fascism, not Buddhism.

    One must know that there are Truths that a Teacher speaks, even if not every opinion and muttering out of there mouth is truth (small t).

    Especially, a student must at a certain point learn to play her piano hew own way, even though it is not necessarily note for note in the style of the teacher. It can all be beautiful music, all the Dharma.

  19. Safe Sects
    Safe Sects September 25, 2009 at 6:33 pm | |

    "Today it is raining. This is Buddha's
    teaching. People think their own way
    or their own religious understanding
    is Buddha's way, without knowing
    what they are hearing, or what they
    are doing, or where they are. Relig-
    ion is not any particular teaching.
    Religion is everywhere. We have to
    understand our teaching in this way.
    We should forget all about some par-
    ticular teaching; we should not ask
    which is good or bad. There should
    not be any particular teaching.
    Teaching is in each moment, in
    every existence. That is the true
    teaching."—
    Shunryu SuzukI

    "I have noticed some tendency towards
    sectarianism amongst new practitioners
    [in the West]. This is absolutely wrong.
    Religion should never become a source of
    conflict, a further factor of division
    within the human community. For my
    own part, I have even, on the basis of my
    deep respect for the contribution that
    other faiths can make towards human
    happiness, participated in the ceremonies
    of other religions. And, following the ex-
    ample of a great many Tibetan lamas
    both ancient and modern, I continue to
    take teachings from as many different
    traditions as possible. For whilst it is true
    that some schools of thought felt it desir-
    able for a practitioner to stay within his
    or her own tradition, people have always
    been free to do as they think fit. Further-more, Tibetan society has always
    been highly tolerant of other people
    beliefs. . . . I am therefore firmly in
    favor of a liberal approach. Sectari-
    anism is poison."—-
    the Dalai Lama

  20. gniz
    gniz September 25, 2009 at 6:50 pm | |

    Hey Everyone,

    I can tell you its okay. When Smoggyrob or Brad say stuff like "fuck off," or the like, its really them "more fully expressing themselves." As we know, many times in this culture, people are terrified to get angry and tell others to fuck off.

    I cant tell you how many times in traffic, i see someone get angry and say, "hello, would you mind not cutting in front of me like that?" When really they should be giving the finger and saying fuck you. But they arent yet acquainted with their true nature, so they just play nice.

    Or sometimes in a sports locker room, guys are just smiling and petting flowers and talking about rainbows. Its sad really, how a lot of people in this world havent quite figured out how to fully express their true nature and be assholes and tell everyone to fuck off.

    Anyway, i guess i for one am glad that people on this blog have started figuring out a different, more authentic way of relating to each other. Thanks Brad, Rob, and others who fully express their true zen nature.

  21. Anonymous
    Anonymous September 25, 2009 at 9:01 pm | |

    That's it Aaron.. Better to be righteously angry than stupidly flumoxed. Not very PC but there it is.

  22. Ob1
    Ob1 September 25, 2009 at 9:01 pm | |

    "The evidence suggests that your Buddhist thoughts and Nishijima's and Brad's Buddhist thoughts are irreconcilably different."

    What does this whole 'my buddhist thoughts, your buddhist thoughts are different' have to do with zen? It has to do with dogma, period. It's just deluded thinking. The same applies to 'your sangha' vs 'my sangha'. Endless division and conflict. Not your conflict vs mine. Not you are an asshole, but not me. Not your zen and mine. Let's see beyond all the divisions. Not wipe away differences, but look at what is beyond them. Just some of my 'buddhist thoughts'. Ha ha.

  23. Mr. Reee
    Mr. Reee September 25, 2009 at 10:20 pm | |

    I just received a strange email from some bankers in Nigeria telling me that I am now the leader of DSI.

    Very well. First up: roadtrip!

    We'll make a screenplay out of it, sell it to Hollywood, and use the proceeds to promote the Dharma on bus benches and cereal boxes. Or something.

  24. BeenHereBefore
    BeenHereBefore September 26, 2009 at 12:31 am | |

    I wouldn't blame Brad if he quit (public) Zen altogether.
    This is all getting a bit out of hand.

  25. Anonymous
    Anonymous September 26, 2009 at 1:07 am | |

    gniz,

    we used ti play fuck roulette on high school ski trips to vermont. It's not as nasty as it sounds. basocally we're on a bus, sitting in the back. one person says 'fuck' quietly and the other says it a little louder, and so on, until the nun sitting in the front seat comes back, very unhappy. You may have played a variation of this? Anyways, nice going spotting the need for folks in this space to vent. How can it be encouraged and piped out in a way that avoids making Jundo or Brad or Rob or any specific person feel harmed? It's a challenge to you. Create some sort of nasty blog game in which commentors can pipe out their reactionary crap without threatening "identities". Can it be done? I am actually the person who started the number post thing. I know I am because I've been skimming around here from the beginning. The number thing is pretty benign and doesn't really engage the virtol, piss and vinegar that seems to need to come out of folks who frequent this place. Hell, I'm one of them… ok…

    fffffffFFFFFFUCK!

  26. Anonymous
    Anonymous September 26, 2009 at 1:13 am | |

    but even there I'm just too girl-scout. What's the blog game that's totally going to take off here. You know… the '00's equivalent of Dharma combat (hahahaha)

    Blog COMBAT!

    How is it played. Geez, maybe we do just dig into each other? But I tell you I'm *afraid* to actually intentfully insult you, because I *believe* the hell realms exist! I'd rather burn a little inside myself in this human realm than burn between two panels of molten metal for nine eons. Ah, but that's not going to mean anything to anyone who's not got that connection. So what's the back & forth here that's going to engage the crap & actually build connection? Fuck if that's not what Brad's actually doing, whether he knows it or not. Respect.

  27. Rick
    Rick September 26, 2009 at 6:13 am | |

    "There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity." – Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

    This quote showed up on my iGoogle page and it seems approproiate.

    Rick Shaw – Anyone confused about the nature of reality, and that of the self, might find this place upsetting.

    This is Zen, not some other religion where we accept the words of the guru as pure Truth. We follow the Buddha's edict – don't accept by blind faith, or because this person said it, or that book, etc… Check it out for yourself.

    gniz – I'm sensing sarcasm in your latest comment. It 'seemed' sarcastic. Of course, I could be projecting my hope that you were not serious.

    Anyway, it's clear some people have invested a great deal of their (imaginary) ego in (the imaginary) DSI, and Brad Warner. I wonder how much Brad has invested in DSI and Brad Warner.

  28. gniz
    gniz September 26, 2009 at 7:17 am | |

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  29. gniz
    gniz September 26, 2009 at 7:18 am | |

    Rick, yes, it was sarcastic. My point (which I hoped to convey through sarcasm rather than spelling it out) was that we're not really experiencing a shortage of assholes in the world. Or people willing to tell people to fuck off and whatnot. Hell, i'm one of those people–and even I dont think its original.

    On the other hand, i agree that the nicey nice bullshit doesnt really fly either, and you get a lot of that in traditional buddhist circles, so there's a reaction against it. Makes sense to me.

    I just get tired of Brad and his cronies always big upping one themselves for "keepin it real." Dont they know there's already a saying "keepin it real?" which means, hey, i'm being an asshole cuz thats who i am? Its already been done, guys. It aint that new.

    I honestly think zen really doesnt do shit for people. Seriously. I really dont think it does shit.

    Life does something, if you let it. You can let it regardless of zen, or you can use zen as a tool, along with a lot of other tools. So, let me also say, zen can probably do quite a lot.

    I dont think its a magic recipe, and the naivete of the people who do is quite touching.

  30. Anonymous
    Anonymous September 26, 2009 at 7:24 am | |

    Smiling, petting flowers and talking about rainbows or being an aggressive asshole.. There has to be a middle way.

  31. Anonymous
    Anonymous September 26, 2009 at 7:33 am | |

    "I honestly think zen really doesnt do shit for people. Seriously. I really dont think it does shit.

    "So, let me also say, zen can probably do quite a lot."

    "Your brain is all cloudy but you'd prefer that it not be. The difference between what you are and what you think you ought to be causes your imagination to leap wildly. You try to go from where you are to this idealized state. But it's a losing battle because the attempt to change from what you are to what you think you should be is the very problem itself.

    The solution is to simply forgo preferences. Don't make any effort to be what you're not."

  32. Rick
    Rick September 26, 2009 at 8:02 am | |

    gniz,

    You are absolutely right. And that's because Zen isn't a "thing." It has no mystical influence on us. It is "expedient means" or a set of tools and nothing more, just as all of Buddhism is, just as are psychotherapy and masterbation.

    Ultimately, people do shit for themselves… and they use the tools of meditation (not just zazen), precepts, Noble Truths, 8 Fold Paths, and all that stuff we lump under the moniker "Zen" or "Buddhism."

    They could just as well use Christianity, or Islam, or any other ism.

    Fortunately, or unfortunately as the case may be, with Buddhism the onus of what we do, how we act, is on ourselves. We don't follow some invisible being's dictates so we can't blame it. We can't blame the Brad Warners of Zen for being a dick either.

    But Zen doesn't mean shit by itself.

    However, how you actualize Zen in your life does. What you do with the tools, what you allow the tools to do with you, that's where all this matters.

    And for some people, "Zen" is an excuse to be an asshole. They confuse the teaching of being "authentic" to mean that one can be a jerk if (s)he wants too and it's OK. "LinChi shouted, and beat people, so it must be OK for me to tell people to go FUCK themselves. That's what being authentic means!"

    Yeah? Bullshit.

    Anyway, it's obvious you recognize all this, so I'm preaching to the choir.

    But the question comes up: If you feel this way about the Brad Warners of Zen, why continue to monitor the posts and comments?

  33. gniz
    gniz September 26, 2009 at 8:23 am | |

    Rick,

    This blog is like one of those tv shows/soap operas that i started watching years ago. Now i know all of the various plot lines and characters and even the ones i don't like that much–or love to hate-i have deep affection for them.
    And i'm very interested in religion, and also cults.
    Not sayin that this falls into either category exactly, but rather straddles the line. Also i both enjoy and genuinely relate to a few of the regular commenters here, and get a pretty big kick out of many others (like the crazy anonymi).

    Melinies
    (I am going to start signing off as my word verification)

  34. Rick
    Rick September 26, 2009 at 8:41 am | |

    Ha…

    I was actually in a cult for two years. Christ! I nearly sold all my worldly goods, ended my marriage, and moved to N. California to be near my guru.

    And, I was born into a Catholic family.

    Thank the Buddha for therapy. (But I'm [tic] all better now!)

    So I know a bit about cults, and the damage they can do.

    And I worry about this attitude some people have adhered to that one's teacher has some ultimate truth that they can somehow pass on to you via some transmission method. Like… is that AM or FM? Is it in Dolby stereo 5.1?

    Rick Shaw's comment about one's Teacher and Truth (note the capital Ts he used) caught me as a real cultish thing to say. Scary cultish.

  35. gniz
    gniz September 26, 2009 at 8:52 am | |

    RIck, i had a guru who i prob would have followed to California if he'd let me. Fortunately, although he may be slightly crazy, my guru isnt much interested in having rabid followers.

    And i sort of got over being so enamored of him. I still think he might be "enlightened" or whatever, or maybe just nuts. But i dont really feel like my path is to follow him or anyone else.

    Anyway, point being, i probably could have bought into a cult at a point in my life–if it had been the right one. They really, really intrigue me. In general, fundamentalism of any kind is really interesting fascinating for me.

    I honestly have very mixed feelings about Brad and all of this. When he first was writing, i read his book–prob about three or four years ago. I even had some email conversations with him, very brief. Seemed like a pretty together dude. Over the years i've become a bit disenchanted with his online persona, and probably also vented a lot of shit on him that had absolutely nothing to do with him. In fact, mostly thats what i did.

    So thats me in a nutshell. Nice talkin with ya Rick!

    Yours,

    Sessioni

  36. Anonymous
    Anonymous September 26, 2009 at 10:48 am | |

    Listen up, knuckleheads! ANYONE got beef with anyone else, throw on some 8-oz gloves and go pound on each other for a while. Brothers fight sometimes, let em fight. The rest of you ninnies sniping from the sides, pipe down. It's none yer business anyway. Get yer fat asses up off the keyboard and go do zazen, dig a hole, do something instead of being little yapping dogs.

    Cohen and Warner, work it out. Keep the crap private. Honest and public disclosure is fine, but not when it's too close to home. Imagine if dad told you he just got done railing mom…TMI.

    Now git.

    Jason
    (NOwatchingNOcloudsNO2@NOYAHOO.NOCOM)

  37. Fugen
    Fugen September 27, 2009 at 9:23 am | |

    Hi.

    Great to see so much care about others amongst you.

    But isn't it more important to think about your behaviour than others?

    I personally think both mr Cohen and mr warner are good teachers, and they have learned me a lot (or have they?). But i do not want to carry their ladies for them, they have to let them down themselves, now that they have crossed the stream.

    May the force be with you
    Fugen

  38. Stuart
    Stuart September 27, 2009 at 3:46 pm | |

    Why a sausage fest? Zen is not depending on anyone or anything, only your true self. Anything that's attained through Zen practice comes from your own effort.

    Many religious/spiritual practices are quite different, in that some sort of higher power or magic energy, which is separate from yourself, descends to give you "grace" or "salvation" or some such. Christian groups are almost always like this; very similar are yoga/Hindu style groups dominated by a Guru.

    I know that when I grew up decades ago, boys were socialized to be self-reliant and independent. Girls were more likely to (by nature or nurture) focus more on relationships (other people). The fantasies offered to girls often involved being lifted up or saved by a prince or some such.

    Maybe the culture is different now, but that's how it was when many of Zen practitioners were growning up. If any of this is biology-based, that sure hasn't changed.

    So it wouldn't be surprising if Yoga and Christian groups, which promise help and salvation from outside, often have female majorities. While Zen groups are more likely to have more men.

    Stuart

  39. Stuart
    Stuart September 27, 2009 at 3:59 pm | |

    Rick said…
    > that's because Zen isn't
    > a "thing."

    I like the metaphor of Zen being a window. At first, you look AT a window, and all you see are the nicks and scratches, and a faint reflection of your own face.

    But that's just one way to use a window. The real virtue of a window is that it's transparent (clear, practically nothing). For that very reason, there's little point in looking at it, but if you look through it, then you see that the sky is blue, the grass is green, and simple truth is right in front of you.

    So you don't get shit out of Zen… except eventually a clear perception of your desire to get shit. What's that about?

    Stuart

  40. nondual
    nondual September 29, 2009 at 8:19 am | |

    Wow…talk about showing up late to the party.

    I am a member of Treeleaf and have had some meaningful interaction with Jundo. I've read all but the latest of Brad's books and found them inspirational and I sat with his sangha in Santa Monica all of twice, if my memory serves me correctly (my girlfriend at the time was a member of ZCLA and gave me no end of shit for wanting to sit with Brad. Much of this was because of his Suicide Girls connection – which mattered to me not in the least).

    I found Brad to be a very down-to-earth, friendly, and somewhat geeky (in the positive sense) guy. He's not the fire-breathing punk rocker you may be excused for thinking he is after reading his books. And for the love of Sidd, his so-called 'misbehavior' regarding one of his students is so mild and understandable in light of being told by his wife 'I no longer see you as a man' – that people who were bringing it up as an issue had clearly already made up their minds and were just gathering evidence for what they'd already decided.

    Jundo and his sangha have given me a more or less permanent Zen group amidst my constant location changes related to my job. Far from being a 'power-monger', Jundo mostly lets the inmates run the asylum – and a lot good appears to be coming of it.

    Now, I'm not what you would call 'close' with either of these men (I'm certain Brad doesn't even remember me) – although my involvement with Treeleaf naturally has me in more contact with Jundo. I dearly wish that these two could simply bury the hatchet and get on with it.

    Then we could fight the REAL enemy (*tears a photo of Dogo Barry Graham on live national television*)

    Nevermind…I'll bet no one gets the reference anyway.

  41. Anonymous
    Anonymous September 29, 2009 at 12:41 pm | |

    I got the SNL reference, but are you positive that Barry Graham is a poser?

  42. Anonymous
    Anonymous September 29, 2009 at 5:04 pm | |

    Hey Brad if you read these comments at all, I just wanted to say that I've read two of your books now..(almost) and I really relate to how you think.

    Anyway, I have been a punker playing in bands where I'm from too, and I also started learning about buddhism in my teens and I think that your books validate a lot of my own interpretations.

    I think you're books are great and they've meant a lot to me.

    Thanx

  43. nondual
    nondual September 29, 2009 at 10:18 pm | |

    No, I'm not confident that Mr. Graham is a poser – that's why I used that particular reference. You do remember the aftermath of all that, yeah?

  44. Dionys
    Dionys October 8, 2009 at 11:38 am | |

    I think both Jundo and Brad might benefit from taking many breaths and sitting in silence for a while. They both seem very caught up in the passion of the moment and both made mistakes that made the conflict, situation worse. They both took quick, fairly mindless action without a view to the subsequent consequences and 'ringing' reverberations that would follow.

    Jundo should stop with the "Buddhists should sit down together" polyanna mindset. Free will, brother. I agree that in theory it'd be nice to just sit with people, and if one were an enlightened being, or even well on the way, I think it'd be absolutely wonderful. But both your actions show that you're still (as most are) on the path. Forcing the situation isn't going to help, as shown by actions from both Jundo and Brad.

    That Jundo split away to form his own sangha says something. That Brad reluctantly accepted to 'lead' Dogen sangha with craploads of reservation thanks to his personality and anti-group pathology (while still somehow embracing community) says something, too. One thing it says is they're on different paths and are likely to butt heads. This is nothing new to Buddhism, particularly Zen.

    Why is anyone surprised by either the change or the conflict?

  45. Shool
    Shool October 12, 2009 at 9:24 am | |

    I found this looking for women in zen. I'm a woman and I've been recently left by a zazen practitioner who used to be my boyfriend. Due to my relationship with him, I became a practitioner myself. He used to say that women had a box full of bullshit inside her heads and also the power to give or take away what men liked about them (sex), and he said also that we knew it, so that was the reason why behaviors such as sexual violence against women were something common. I'm not going to make any comments about this…

    Any way, maybe the reason why he said we had this kind of box inside our heads is because we are more likely to embraze our emmotions and sometimes we get lost inside them, which I think has to do a lot with the way little girls are raised and tought, as someone asked on a previous post.

    Wonder why I became a zazen practitioner hehehe (because he left and I wanted to understand why everything happened the "wrong" way… pure emotional bulls.)… Now I know that wasn't the right intention when practicing, not even when walking inside the zendo, but I'll continue to practice because I found it helps me shut up inside… no more pseudo-celtic-new age kind of crap for me.

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